11 Αυγ 2006


source: ynet news
(07.30.06, 17:37)

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yesha (יש"ע) is a Hebrew acronym for "Judea Samaria Gaza" (Hebrew: יהודה שומרון עזה, "Yehuda Shomron 'Azza", the West Bank and Gaza Strip), and is one of a number of terms used to describe the areas Israel gained control over during the Six-Day War of June 1967. The areas had previously been captured by Egypt and Jordan during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The term "Yesha" is still commonly used in Israel even though Israel has evacuated the settlements and military bases from Gush Katif and retreated to the Green Line.
The Yesha Council is the umbrella organization of the various municipal councils (local, regional, and cities) which oversees the settlement of Jews in the area. The population is predominantly Muslim Arab.

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Ecumene είπε...

They say ..We are not Christian....

we need not a christian morality...

What is the jewish morality?...

Μαύρος Γάτος είπε...

These Rabbis apparently are ultra-nationalist Rabbis, I'm sure that not many Jews think this way. But the problem is this that the Israeli Army is BEHAVING at this moment just like the Rabbis say....

Ecumene είπε...

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to his profile.....

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Μαύρος Γάτος είπε...

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Ecumene είπε...

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εμ στο λεγα με την κατσαριδα
που βαλες εισαι ΣΤΟΧΟΣ!!!

At 9:23 AM, Omer (israeli) said...
sorry cant write your name,
They don't suprise me. you should know that there are alot of rabbis with alot of diffrent opinions.
Well in case of Yesha, they are small minority (mainly settlers). politicaly they are ultra-right. I could only imagine how horrific it could be if they actually controled this war.
One soldier from them, even went to jail, after refusing to fight for a goverment that will evacute them from their home (a settlment). Some of them are even bound to fight israel when we pull out of the west-bank.
To me they are extreimist like HEZ. They dont get much sympathy from the majorty of the Israeli's, thou.

At 9:34 AM, Omer (israeli) said...
Or in other words, if you wanna play with extremist propoganda, just remember that genocidal threats and just plain, blunt and volgur anti-semetism is common even in some main stream medias around the arab world.

At 9:35 AM, z said...
Another misinform Euro what did you do in Cyprus Courage friends?

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At 9:46 AM, dunes said...
yeah well you can write what ever you want and say what you want on communication skills , but when it comes to sensible logic well i fear that right now
you arabs are in short supply ,hence people like liona and the rest of HA suppoertes .
btw what a concise argument "Your communication skills are astounding.".

At 9:47 AM, Μαύρος Γάτος said...
Omer, I imagined their beinh "extremists" and their opinions not being approved by the majority of the Israelis. The problem is that their "principles", the "principles" these Rabbis encourage, are used at this very moment IN PRACTICE by the Israeli army....

Just not to let anybody misunderstand my position, I don't accept the Hizbullah absurd claims for the eradication of Israel. I accept Israel, AT THE 1949 BORDERS.

but I don't accept Israel acting like a Bully in the region...


At 9:49 AM, Μαύρος Γάτος said...
z, ok, some photos have been forged, and it's awful, but as far as it regards the WAR, so what?????? Does it sum up with the massacres and the terror???????????

At 9:58 AM, z said...
Does it sum up with the massacres and terror???????

I can ask u the same question what with all the Jews from Thessaloniki in the WW2?

Is the University of Thessaloniki build on Jewish cemetery???

Ask Toderrakis (spilling) what dos he think about Israel or the rest of your government

At 10:01 AM, Omer (israeli) said...
Well i guess i should pull out another two way sword we all participate in.
You say that because of israeli violance there are extremist. Yet violance done to israeli civilians has no effect?
Do you think that blowing up on buses, rocketing, kidnapping, stabbing etc.. makes israelis more "peacefull"?

So i was pointing out that even so, the propoganda in the arab world agaist isarel is way stronger then vice versa.

At 10:07 AM, z said...

Not just Israeli

At 11:19 AM, Μαύρος Γάτος said...
Z, I am sorry you are trying to create impressions with absurd arguments. The Israeli community of Thessaloniki haw been destroyed by the Nazis, noty by the Greeks, who also payed very a heavy blood toll for WWII. And anyway this has nothing to do with the situation in the middle east today.

Omar, the situation for Israeli citizens is also awful and every death counts, from any side. But one cannot forget who is the attacker and who is the besieged in this situation.

At 11:26 AM, Andrey said...
don't know if it's true, but:


http://www.iranpressnews.com/source/015291.htm (link to Farsi)

Islamic regime plans to dispatch Arabic-speaking Iranians from the city of Ahvaz to Lebanon (Volunteers being recruited from Prisons like in the movies).

According to received reports, the Islamic regime is encouraging young Arabic-speaking residents from city of Ahvaz (Province of Khuzestan*) to participate in the war in Lebanon alongside Hezbollah against Israeli forces. Each person is being offered approximately $10,000.

The Islamic regime has told the volunteers that since they are Arabic-speakers, their presence in Lebanon will not be conspicuous. Volunteers will first go through a short basic training camp in Iran and then will be dispatched to

Previous reports also indicate that the Islamic regime has also granted full pardons to criminals who are either serving life-in-prison or are on death-row in Iran, in exchange for their "volunteering" to go to Lebanon. The conditions of prisons in Iran is so deplorable that already 400 prisoners have chosen going to war in Lebanon over staying in the regime’s prisons.

* The province of Khuzestan borders on Iraq and a large majority of the residents of that province are bilingual Persian and Arabic-speakers.

At 11:28 AM, dunes said...
Μαύρος Γάτος:

"But one cannot forget who is the attacker and who is the besieged in this situation."
well if i recall corectlly israel left lebanon 6 years ago and every since every provocation has been carried out by lebanon. israel has only retaliated
and dont tell me that we are the aggressor we didnt want this war it has been forced uppon us.

At 11:42 AM, Itai said...
Israel's channel 2 is reporting the talks in the U.N. came to a dead end. Jerusalem ordered IDF to move to the Litani river.

At 11:48 AM, barroon said...
I LOVEEEEEEEEEEED last sentence “ sad el hariri” said 5 mint ago in his press confers

Reporter asked him :” some believe that Israel targeted near your house at Ghoraytem to intimate you and a personal message for you and ur effort with your French friends “

He replied “ That’s why I came back “

This is how Lebanese think.. this is the Lebanese sprit ..nothing will break it nothing will intimate it .

At 12:05 PM, Lirun said...

i thought our budget was more along the lines of US$270B


a right wing government is not always so bad.. u know by now that i am a supporter of left wing principles of social justice etc.. but history has shown us that in israel only a right wing government can deliver peace because only they can shift the threshold of consensus to the level required so avoid a split in the country..

a left wing government making land concessions doesnt work..

wishing peace on all of us

from telaviv - now in barcelona
we too should have a peaceful country on the med sea..

At 12:21 PM, Itai said...
Lirun said...but history has shown us that in israel only a right wing government can deliver peace...

Hmmm...Israel has two peace agreements: one with Egypt signed by a right wing government and one with Jordan signed by a left wing government.
The part about getting the support of the other side is true but history shows nothing in that sense.

At 12:30 PM, Lirun said...
the agreement with jordan did not require genuine negotiation it was more just a formalisation of a long standing ceasefire arrangement and the open bridges policy..

but as you well noted.. to give land back we needed a charismatic right winged leader..

At 1:57 PM, z said...
The Israeli community of Thessaloniki haw been destroyed by the Nazis, noty by the Greeks

You better get your history strait my mother was born in Thessaloniki for long generations remember the Hellenic Empire? Her ancestor come from Israel brought to Greece as slave my grandfather neighbor who drank Ouzo with him told the Nazi he is Jew he is not the only one the Jewish community in Thes was totally killed by the Nazi with help from the Greeks ppl

anyway this has nothing to do with the situation in the middle east today.

No you are right so pls keep your advice and don’t try to lecturer the Jews and the Israeli First clean your backyard

At 2:53 PM, dunes said...
correction after examination the israel total budget for 2006 was 271 billion shekles
it funny i remmber somthing along 972 but nm.
any way the dod is getting 50 billion shekels from it.

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But on me hath fallen this unforeseen disaster, and sapped my life; ruined I am, and long to resign the boon of existence, kind friends, and die. For he who was all the world to me, as well thou knowest, hath turned out the worst of men, my own husband. Of all things that have life and sense we women are the most hapless creatures; first must we buy a husband at a great price, and o'er ourselves a tyrant set which is an evil worse than the first; and herein lies the most important issue, whether our choice be good or bad. For divorce is not honourable to women, nor can we disown our lords. Next must the wife, coming as she does to ways and customs new, since she hath not learnt the lesson in her home, have a diviner's eye to see how best to treat the partner of her life. If haply we perform these tasks with thoroughness and tact, and the husband live with us, without resenting the yoke, our life is a happy one; if not, 'twere best to die. But when a man is vexed with what he finds indoors, he goeth forth and rids his soul of its disgust, betaking him to some friend or comrade of like age; whilst we must needs regard his single self.

And yet they say we live secure at home, while they are at the wars, with their sorry reasoning, for I would gladly take my stand in battle array three times o'er, than once give birth. But enough! this language suits not thee as it does me; thou hast a city here, a father's house, some joy in life, and friends to share thy thoughts, but I am destitute, without a city, and therefore scorned by my husband, a captive I from a foreign shore, with no mother, brother, or kinsman in whom to find a new haven of refuge from this calamity. Wherefore this one boon and only this I wish to win from thee,-thy silence, if haply I can some way or means devise to avenge me on my husband for this cruel treatment, and on the man who gave to him his daughter, and on her who is his wife. For though woman be timorous enough in all else, and as regards courage, a coward at the mere sight of steel, yet in the moment she finds her honour wronged, no heart is filled with deadlier thoughts than hers.

At 1:11 AM, Ergo te Lina said...

The Holy Inquisition was raging in Spain and Portugal in 1492. Jews and heretics were persecuted and burned. Jews were forcibly converted but even then persecuted. They were called New Christians and were constantly watched and spied on for any signs that they were holding on to their old religion. For example, New Christians bathing on Friday was a suspicious thing since that meant they were preparing for Sabbath. The New Christians (or Marranos, meaning "swine," as sometimes they were called) were constantly subjected to mass killings and burnings with the blessing of the King and the Catholic Church. At the same time, on the other side of Europe, the Ottoman Empire was enjoying prosperity and peace after having conquered the old Byzantium. Greece was part of the Ottoman Empire and enslaved to the Turks.

The Sultan opened the door of the Empire to the refugees from Iberia. Even though Christians were persecuted by the Ottomans, Jews were respected and left alone to practice their faith in relative peace. Thousands of Jews converged to Salonica, a sea port in the Northern Aegean.

Terra Nostra: The Exodus From Spain
by Discarded Lies at March 11, 2005 07:46 AM

At 1:28 AM, Ergo te Lina said...

The communities flourished during the reign of Alexander the Great and the subsequent Hellenistic period in around 300 B.C.E. Jewish immigrants flooded Hellenist cities along the Aegean Coast and the Greek mainland. The Greeks were polytheistic and maintained a glamorous lifestyle. While most Jews retained their monotheism, many wealthy Jews were attracted to Greek culture and created a class of assimilated, pro-Greek Jews.


At 1:44 AM, Ergo te Lina said...

Righteous Among the Nations (Hebrew: חסידי אומות העולם, Hasidei Umot HaOlam) is a term used to describe non-Jews who risked their lives during the Holocaust in order to save Jews from extermination by the Nazis.

At 1:49 AM, Ergo te Lina said...

Greek Righteous Gentiles in the Holocaust, A Renewed Look and Their Current
State of Being Recognized”
Yitzchak Kerem, Aristotle University, Thessaloniki, Greece

....The Athenian Police Chief Angelos Ebert and other police officers issued new
identification cards with Greek sounding names to thousands of Jews hiding in Athens.
The above mentioned leftist partisan movement ELAS-EAM accepted the Jewish youth
in their ranks and harbored families in the villages under their protection. The latter was
active in organizing the escape of Greek Jews from the Euboea Peninsula by fishing boats
to Turkey and from there to Eretz-Israel by way of a temporary internment in British
military camps in Allepo, Syria for interrogation by British intelligence agents. Sotiris
Papastratis, of ELAS and a native of Chalkis, who helped coordinate Jewish illegal
immigration movement to Palestine from Greece to Turkey via fishing boats that left
every two weeks from Zakaios on the east coast of the Euboea Peninsula was recognized
by Yad Vashem as a Righteous Gentile for saving more than 800 Jews....


Lirun είπε...

allow me to correct you..

we no longer use the term yesha.. not since the gaza pull out..

i think there is some over-sizing of the significance of rabbinical statements and also some over dramatisation of views..

this is not a true reflection of how we see matters.. yes we need to consolidate action and context with morality and yes we are asking ourselves difficult questions.. but no one is glorifying death..

not for a second..

wishing peace on all of us and hoping we can avoid the perilous spiral of self entrapping propaganda..

we need clarity in these confusing times..

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